first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
Amazing,
I wasn't referring to you, when I said, ''put up or shut up""
I am glad you are doing something for kids....
All I am able to do is to talk, here on JWD...
for now...
I did not intend to slam you in any way....I am terribly sorry...sometimes, I am so pationate about something, that, my words dont come out right.....
note: i changed the title from "talked w/ ray franz today" because the new title seems better connected to the original post.
i discussed the issues island woman raised regarding ray franz, ewart chitty, leo greenlees, how this relates to supporting silentlambs, or how right or wrong bill bowen may be.. .
ray franz stated again, as he did in his earleir post through me, and previous conversations with me, that he has never dealt with any issue regarding pedophilia among jws.
Refiners.
I must now go investigate.....I thought the ''Chitty and Greenless"" thing was about homosexuals..(((OH THE HORROR))) LOL
Like I said, I am not read up on this thing...I was only addressing myself to child molestation..
I will go to archives, cause I am lossed over these two individuals...
Please dont make me a scapegoat for your wrath.....
I am not your enemy, and dont wanna be........
If I ever get to the place that I am no longer learning...well, It wouldnt be a good place to be....
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
A direct accusation...perhaps...
One I happen to agree with....
I think Franz should address the issue, or stop addressing any issue....This man made the rules, answer or your silence will speak for you..
I personally refuse to remain silent....You cannot smack me hard enough to make me shut up, where the saftey of children is concerned...
Put up, or Shut up...
But I do agree, that it is two seperate issues......
We all take up the most important issues, we cant all take on the world...but for petes sake, if you cant stand up for kids, what can you stand up for?
If you cant or dont wanna, help kids, then at least STFU, if you cant relate......Never dealt with it??? I dont think so......
note: i changed the title from "talked w/ ray franz today" because the new title seems better connected to the original post.
i discussed the issues island woman raised regarding ray franz, ewart chitty, leo greenlees, how this relates to supporting silentlambs, or how right or wrong bill bowen may be.. .
ray franz stated again, as he did in his earleir post through me, and previous conversations with me, that he has never dealt with any issue regarding pedophilia among jws.
He has never dealt with the child abuse issue.....hmmmm
Seems like a no brainer to me......How sad for him....
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
Amen, Brummie.
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
I must admit, I have missed the threads that started this Bill Vs Ray thing....
I can only say this, and this is from what I have read....
An apology to someone should not be belittled by anyone....IW made an apology to Bill, now let it be...Saying "I am sorry" is not easy to say.
I think (this is only my opine, and as such, do not attack me, please
Some, as ex dubs, find it easier to continue being a ''follower'', and still dont wanna venture out to find the facts for themselves..
It is so much easier to let someone else do it for you...
I have seen several posters here, in writing say, "" I just am too lazy to investigate""
There is no excuse....If that is how you feel, than you will quite quickly be duped again...Why do you think this board is here, in the first place?
I know, some of you are very confused, and hurt....we are all at different stages.....but you do need to take on the initiative to investigate, learn, weigh, and decide....I did it years ago, before the internet......so dont say it is to hard for you...
As far as moderators, of course, they have opinions. They dont need to babysit us...most here are adults.....duh.....
As if their sole purpose is to appease some group.........havent we all had enough of that???
I dont mean to sound bitchy, but please,,,,,,,,
How did an apology, ( in my opinion, a showing of love, and concern) turn into this attack??? stop it......
i read this on msn... sad...
bob hope dead at 100 .
last updated mon, 28 jul 2003 15:36:20 .
I was washing dishes, and my son came into the kitchen and said, ''Mommy, the president just said on t.v., Bob Hope has died....
I missed the announcement...
Bob is an icon, and a wonderful person....dedicated his life to humoring the lonely....USO, and all....
He has had a very long life, and a good life, and gave so much to others, He will be missed....
Thanks for the announcement....
My condolences to the Hope family....
my sister recently moved to a big beautiful home in southern indiana... all her neighbors are amish.... so we are sitting on the front porch, talking, and she tells me about the amish neighbors, and that they stop by and talk all the time...i go, ''what''????
i thought we werent to speak to the amish, that would be rude......boy was i deluded.
about this time, up the road come two amish men, and two girls..... they were dressed in blue, and had on their hats, and the girls followed shortly afterward..they stood at the bottom of the drive, till we said hi, like they were waiting to be invited....real polite, and proper... now keep in mind, as this story unfolds, i have never in my life talked to an amish...so i didnt know what to expect.... so my sister says, ""hi , how are you all''?.
Jgnat,
Thanks...
Thats what my sister told me too!!!!
She said, not to worry about if it gets to her, but it is theraputic, just to put it down.....That the important thing was, to just get it out..
A burning ceremony,,,,yes....very possible....
Thanks, babe..
my sister recently moved to a big beautiful home in southern indiana... all her neighbors are amish.... so we are sitting on the front porch, talking, and she tells me about the amish neighbors, and that they stop by and talk all the time...i go, ''what''????
i thought we werent to speak to the amish, that would be rude......boy was i deluded.
about this time, up the road come two amish men, and two girls..... they were dressed in blue, and had on their hats, and the girls followed shortly afterward..they stood at the bottom of the drive, till we said hi, like they were waiting to be invited....real polite, and proper... now keep in mind, as this story unfolds, i have never in my life talked to an amish...so i didnt know what to expect.... so my sister says, ""hi , how are you all''?.
Thanx, Garnet..
Yes they were just so sincere, I was shocked... I told them all I thought they werent supposed to talk to outsiders, ""english''....My husband ask them all kind of questions, and they patiently answered each one..
Then sis told them we were raised JW, and they said that the jw church, is just down the road, and that they come to their doors...lol.....
I think that is what got the ''tomatoe thing'' going...LOL
They were great.....really....very educational...we all had such a good time...I didnt feel they held me in contempt, or what not..They were so very friendly..
Any ways. Thanks for your kind words, Garnet...I appreciate it...
my sister recently moved to a big beautiful home in southern indiana... all her neighbors are amish.... so we are sitting on the front porch, talking, and she tells me about the amish neighbors, and that they stop by and talk all the time...i go, ''what''????
i thought we werent to speak to the amish, that would be rude......boy was i deluded.
about this time, up the road come two amish men, and two girls..... they were dressed in blue, and had on their hats, and the girls followed shortly afterward..they stood at the bottom of the drive, till we said hi, like they were waiting to be invited....real polite, and proper... now keep in mind, as this story unfolds, i have never in my life talked to an amish...so i didnt know what to expect.... so my sister says, ""hi , how are you all''?.
witch......twice...lol
I will learn to spell......lol
